<strong>* NOTE: This post is still in progress and will be updated when I get time to add commentary.<br>* Another note: This doesn't end well<br></strong><br><h2>@MurderousMarie</h2><br>I don't see why people make a big deal about people on welfare buying cigarettes<br>They don't get that much money a month so who cares if they buy a few packs a month?<br>I get the feeling idiots think they get thousands of dollars every month<br>Lol no try like under 800<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>that's $800 a month given to them for free.. because they aren't willing to seek a means of providing for themselves?<br>isn't it meant to be a temporary assistance? people on our entitlement programs never get off them once they're on.<br><h2>@MurderousMarie</h2><br>some people are disabled and can't work.<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>that's not welfare, that's disability.<br><h2>@MurderousMarie</h2><br>if you've never been on food stamps or disability you really don't get it<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>i have more than enough experience to get it.<br>also, there are plenty of disabled people who find ways to work. we do have the Internet after all.<br><h2>â€@ThoughtsThatFly</h2><br>So you have had herniated discs in your back in which you can't sit or stand for long, limiting work options?<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>I fell off a 3-story house.. among other things. Also, I've known and helped hundreds of people with disabilities.<br><h2>â€@ThoughtsThatFly</h2><br>Okay, that is your situation. Not every situation is the same, so you can't claim to understand theirs because that is impossible.<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>i think you might've missed something..<br>it's not impossible to understand a situation through observation and empathy..<br><h2>â€@ThoughtsThatFly</h2><br>If you help others, then why is it you find to argue with @MurderousMarie over the amount and length? Seems contradictive.<br>I missed nothing; I read the whole conversation. You claim that people abuse the system because they are lazy and unwilling to<br>find a job, yet here you tell me you have helped 100s whom were on disability. You claim you have experience, yet my point is that<br>you don't know EVERYONE's story. Each person is different. If they want smokes from their disability, then let them have cigs. Just<br>because they are getting government money, doesn't mean that smokes is them being lazy. You are making a huge assumption that all<br>people getting "free money" are lazy and don't want jobs. Yet you tell me you know people who have been in the same position with<br>disability. So shouldn't you know better than to judge so quickly off the few small things @MurderousMarie said?<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>it's not a claim. People do abuse the system. Many, many people abuse it.<br>"finding a job" isn't the only way to support yourself.<br>the issue was welfare, not disability. Welfare is used to provide resources to sustain a person's life.. cigarettes do not<br>i never said i know everyone's story. i'm not interested in the minority of people who may have a legit need<br>there was no judgment made. you're making a lot of assumptions yourself here.<br>also, it's not "government" money. YOU are paying for these people who are in turn using it to kill themselves.<br>yes, cigarettes cause cancer. Or are you going to argue that too?<br>A product that does not provide wellness should not be bought with welfare. That is my only point.<br><h2>â€@ThoughtsThatFly</h2><br>I'm not assuming. My opinions come from the statements you wrote in reply to @MurderousMarie's tweets and to me.<br>Junk food does not provide wellness. Should that be allowed to be purchased?<br>Also cigs, while harmful, do provide a source of relief from stress/anxiety. It can help those who are down and out to be<br>less worked up. Stress and anxiety damage the body too. I'm not promoting such behavior, but it is true.<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>there's a difference between junk food that might cause unwellness and cigarettes that 100% will cause unwellness.<br>that's a myth. cigarettes do not relieve stress or anxiety. the FACT is that cigarettes actually increase anxiety.<br>here you go: https://bestanxietyremedies.com/cigarettes-for-anxiety.html … and https://www.google.com/search?q=cigarettes+and+anxiety&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a …<br>there are no positive effects of cigarettes. every chemical works to kill you.<br><h2>â€@ThoughtsThatFly</h2><br>Forgive me, I wasn't clear. It's not scientifically true that it relieves stress as you stated, but from a mental stand point it<br>does through repeatitive movements and the way nicotine affects the body. It's a temporary relief, a calming pattern created<br>through classical conditioning .<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>then it cannot be proven and is irrelevant.<br><h2>â€@ThoughtsThatFly</h2><br>It is not irrelevant. It's proven through Classical Conditioning. It's all mental and learned.<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>well, thanks for the discussion but if you're going to make statements that can't be proven..<br>murder is also learned and may be relaxing for some.. that doesn't mean our tax dollars have to support it.<br>kind of ironic that you're suggesting we support people's self-destructive, obsessive tendancies in order to relax them.<br><h2>@ThoughtsThatFly</h2><br>Did you miss the part where I specifically said, and I quote, "I'm not promoting such behavior, but it is true."<br>I'm not supporting anything, do not twist my words. I'm stating psychology facts about human behavior. Get it straight.<br>Murder is not learned, it can be a mental deficiency in the brain. Its a disorder; sociopath, psychopath. We do pay tax dollars to<br>support them via harboring them in jail and giving them food to stay alive. But that is off topic.<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>well, it's not true.. and new behavior can be learned to replace cigarette smoking. the mind is quite adaptive.<br>if you're arguing about conditioning, the smoker can condition themselves with other calming behavior.<br>murder can be learned and can be a mental deficiency. just as anxiety can be.<br><h2>â€@ThoughtsThatFly</h2><br>They can, but it's difficult given the withdrawal symptoms of nicotine. It's takes time & patience. It's not as easy as it sounds.<br>No, you can't learn anxiety, you can only learn to fear something.<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>if you don't support it then what are you arguing? i don't care if people want to smoke cigarettes or they think it calms<br>i care that they're wasting resources allocated to keep them alive and healthy to a product that does the opposite<br>the minor benefit of psycosomatic calming that SOME people might feel is not a valid reason to support those people<br>anxiety doesn't require fear.<br><h2>@ThoughtsThatFly</h2><br>Anxiety is a bodily response to a threat that is typically generalized and unspecific. A threat elicits fear of an unpleasant end.<br>I feel like I'm talking to a wall right now, wasting my breath and unable to get through.<br>I have anxiety. Sometimes it gets so bad that I have a cig. That cig provides a distraction from my anxiety resulting in me claiming down.<br>I shouldn't smoke, but it's a habit I got in to. It's a quick and easy fix, helpful in a handful of situations.<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>incorrect. Please read: https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+anxiety&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a …<br><h2>â€@ThoughtsThatFly</h2><br>Dude, I'm a Psychology major. I know what I'm talking about. You can't believe everything on google or such a simple definition.<br>Please stop talking if you're going to use Google to validate your points. I don't have time for this nonsense. It hurts my degree.<br>@ieatgingers Can you support the fact that a cigarette relieves your stress and tension?<br>@ieatgingers Good. As can I. Because apparently @JoeJiko doesn't believe in such a thing, trying to throw google science in my face.<br>My degree weeps with how easily people will believe the things they read on google<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>i trust google more than your degree. In case you aren't aware, content that shows up on google is often created by people with degrees.<br>actually, I threw a dictionary definition in your face. But whatever makes you feel better.<br><h2>â€@ThoughtsThatFly</h2><br>Content is also created by morons who think they know something. I trust books, scholarly articles, & research before Google.<br>Why do you think google references are not allowed in research papers or or scholarly articles? Lmfao.<br>There is a difference between a definition and the actual psychological outline for anxiety and fear, but okay then!<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>and another difference between that and your understanding.<br><h2>â€@ThoughtsThatFly</h2><br>There is no room for understanding. It's point blank facts! Are you kidding me? It's proven and documented for a reason.<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>it's nice that your degree has taught you how to be condescending and biased. Congrats kid.<br>google isn't a source of information. It's a catalog of information sources. You just sound ridiculous lol<br><h2>â€@ThoughtsThatFly</h2><br>that makes no sense! You can find the answer you WANT with the Internet. So it's not a valid resource. End of story dude.<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>"proven and documented" except you haven't proven or documented anything. so all you have is your word and understanding<br>have the conversation analysed by one of your professors you trust and get back to me.<br>i really don't feel like going into internet search theory and information filtering with you. perhaps another time.<br><h2>â€@ThoughtsThatFly</h2><br>I don't care to hear anything else from you. You obviously know everything since you can use Google. I'm going to stick with<br>the hard work I put in at college, the research I've completed, the scholarly articles I've read, and my well knowledgable profs.<br><h2>@JoeJiko</h2><br>show it to them and get 2nd opinion from someone you trust. Should be humbling.<br>it's amusing to me because you don't know a thing about my educational background and yet you assume you know better.<br><h2>â€@ThoughtsThatFly</h2><br>My head literally hurts from the stupidity of hearing how someone will trust the Internet over someone's well earned & researched knowledge.<br><h1><strong>What do you think? Leave your comments below!</strong></h1>