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* NOTE: This post is still in progress and will be updated when I get time to add commentary. * Another note: This doesn't end well @MurderousMarie I don't see why people make a big deal about people on welfare buying cigarettes They don't get that much money a month so who cares if they buy a few packs a month? I get the feeling idiots think they get thousands of dollars every month Lol no try like under 800 @JoeJiko that's $800 a month given to them for free.. because they aren't willing to seek a means of providing for themselves? isn't it meant to be a temporary assistance? people on our entitlement programs never get off them once they're on. @MurderousMarie some people are disabled and can't work. @JoeJiko that's not welfare, that's disability. @MurderousMarie if you've never been on food stamps or disability you really don't get it @JoeJiko i have more than enough experience to get it. also, there are plenty of disabled people who find ways to work. we do have the Internet after all. â€@ThoughtsThatFly So you have had herniated discs in your back in which you can't sit or stand for long, limiting work options? @JoeJiko I fell off a 3-story house.. among other things. Also, I've known and helped hundreds of people with disabilities. â€@ThoughtsThatFly Okay, that is your situation. Not every situation is the same, so you can't claim to understand theirs because that is impossible. @JoeJiko i think you might've missed something.. it's not impossible to understand a situation through observation and empathy.. â€@ThoughtsThatFly If you help others, then why is it you find to argue with @MurderousMarie over the amount and length? Seems contradictive. I missed nothing; I read the whole conversation. You claim that people abuse the system because they are lazy and unwilling to find a job, yet here you tell me you have helped 100s whom were on disability. You claim you have experience, yet my point is that you don't know EVERYONE's story. Each person is different. If they want smokes from their disability, then let them have cigs. Just because they are getting government money, doesn't mean that smokes is them being lazy. You are making a huge assumption that all people getting "free money" are lazy and don't want jobs. Yet you tell me you know people who have been in the same position with disability. So shouldn't you know better than to judge so quickly off the few small things @MurderousMarie said? @JoeJiko it's not a claim. People do abuse the system. Many, many people abuse it. "finding a job" isn't the only way to support yourself. the issue was welfare, not disability. Welfare is used to provide resources to sustain a person's life.. cigarettes do not i never said i know everyone's story. i'm not interested in the minority of people who may have a legit need there was no judgment made. you're making a lot of assumptions yourself here. also, it's not "government" money. YOU are paying for these people who are in turn using it to kill themselves. yes, cigarettes cause cancer. Or are you going to argue that too? A product that does not provide wellness should not be bought with welfare. That is my only point. â€@ThoughtsThatFly I'm not assuming. My opinions come from the statements you wrote in reply to @MurderousMarie's tweets and to me. Junk food does not provide wellness. Should that be allowed to be purchased? Also cigs, while harmful, do provide a source of relief from stress/anxiety. It can help those who are down and out to be less worked up. Stress and anxiety damage the body too. I'm not promoting such behavior, but it is true. @JoeJiko there's a difference between junk food that might cause unwellness and cigarettes that 100% will cause unwellness. that's a myth. cigarettes do not relieve stress or anxiety. the FACT is that cigarettes actually increase anxiety. here you go: https://bestanxietyremedies.com/cigarettes-for-anxiety.html … and https://www.google.com/search?q=cigarettes+and+anxiety&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a … there are no positive effects of cigarettes. every chemical works to kill you. â€@ThoughtsThatFly Forgive me, I wasn't clear. It's not scientifically true that it relieves stress as you stated, but from a mental stand point it does through repeatitive movements and the way nicotine affects the body. It's a temporary relief, a calming pattern created through classical conditioning . @JoeJiko then it cannot be proven and is irrelevant. â€@ThoughtsThatFly It is not irrelevant. It's proven through Classical Conditioning. It's all mental and learned. @JoeJiko well, thanks for the discussion but if you're going to make statements that can't be proven.. murder is also learned and may be relaxing for some.. that doesn't mean our tax dollars have to support it. kind of ironic that you're suggesting we support people's self-destructive, obsessive tendancies in order to relax them. @ThoughtsThatFly Did you miss the part where I specifically said, and I quote, "I'm not promoting such behavior, but it is true." I'm not supporting anything, do not twist my words. I'm stating psychology facts about human behavior. Get it straight. Murder is not learned, it can be a mental deficiency in the brain. Its a disorder; sociopath, psychopath. We do pay tax dollars to support them via harboring them in jail and giving them food to stay alive. But that is off topic. @JoeJiko well, it's not true.. and new behavior can be learned to replace cigarette smoking. the mind is quite adaptive. if you're arguing about conditioning, the smoker can condition themselves with other calming behavior. murder can be learned and can be a mental deficiency. just as anxiety can be. â€@ThoughtsThatFly They can, but it's difficult given the withdrawal symptoms of nicotine. It's takes time & patience. It's not as easy as it sounds. No, you can't learn anxiety, you can only learn to fear something. @JoeJiko if you don't support it then what are you arguing? i don't care if people want to smoke cigarettes or they think it calms i care that they're wasting resources allocated to keep them alive and healthy to a product that does the opposite the minor benefit of psycosomatic calming that SOME people might feel is not a valid reason to support those people anxiety doesn't require fear. @ThoughtsThatFly Anxiety is a bodily response to a threat that is typically generalized and unspecific. A threat elicits fear of an unpleasant end. I feel like I'm talking to a wall right now, wasting my breath and unable to get through. I have anxiety. Sometimes it gets so bad that I have a cig. That cig provides a distraction from my anxiety resulting in me claiming down. I shouldn't smoke, but it's a habit I got in to. It's a quick and easy fix, helpful in a handful of situations. @JoeJiko incorrect. Please read: https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+anxiety&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a … â€@ThoughtsThatFly Dude, I'm a Psychology major. I know what I'm talking about. You can't believe everything on google or such a simple definition. Please stop talking if you're going to use Google to validate your points. I don't have time for this nonsense. It hurts my degree. @ieatgingers Can you support the fact that a cigarette relieves your stress and tension? @ieatgingers Good. As can I. Because apparently @JoeJiko doesn't believe in such a thing, trying to throw google science in my face. My degree weeps with how easily people will believe the things they read on google @JoeJiko i trust google more than your degree. In case you aren't aware, content that shows up on google is often created by people with degrees. actually, I threw a dictionary definition in your face. But whatever makes you feel better. â€@ThoughtsThatFly Content is also created by morons who think they know something. I trust books, scholarly articles, & research before Google. Why do you think google references are not allowed in research papers or or scholarly articles? Lmfao. There is a difference between a definition and the actual psychological outline for anxiety and fear, but okay then! @JoeJiko and another difference between that and your understanding. â€@ThoughtsThatFly There is no room for understanding. It's point blank facts! Are you kidding me? It's proven and documented for a reason. @JoeJiko it's nice that your degree has taught you how to be condescending and biased. Congrats kid. google isn't a source of information. It's a catalog of information sources. You just sound ridiculous lol â€@ThoughtsThatFly that makes no sense! You can find the answer you WANT with the Internet. So it's not a valid resource. End of story dude. @JoeJiko "proven and documented" except you haven't proven or documented anything. so all you have is your word and understanding have the conversation analysed by one of your professors you trust and get back to me. i really don't feel like going into internet search theory and information filtering with you. perhaps another time. â€@ThoughtsThatFly I don't care to hear anything else from you. You obviously know everything since you can use Google. I'm going to stick with the hard work I put in at college, the research I've completed, the scholarly articles I've read, and my well knowledgable profs. @JoeJiko show it to them and get 2nd opinion from someone you trust. Should be humbling. it's amusing to me because you don't know a thing about my educational background and yet you assume you know better. â€@ThoughtsThatFly My head literally hurts from the stupidity of hearing how someone will trust the Internet over someone's well earned & researched knowledge. 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ROTD: Buying cigarettes with Welfare.. and Degree Arrogance

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